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Date: 29 Jul 1992 09:02:08 -0700
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Subject: Rebuild Desktop on Novell w/ Sys 7 (A)
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  Last week I posted a query requesting information on how to rebuild the
desktop on a Novell fileserver using System 7.  Thanks to Chris Webster
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail], "Dwight
Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <[e-mail]>, and
[e-mail] for their help.

I received many similar replies like the following:

>Configure your mac in such a way
>that the volumes with the old desktop file are mounted during the
>start-up. During the next start-up press the clover and alt keys. You
>will be asked for every volume whether you want to rebuild the desktop
>Click in cancel for the volumes you don't want to rebuild BUT keep the
>two keys pressed, until the appropriate volume appears. This was the
>way I rebuilt the desktop.

  Other replies suggested:

>A crude (but effective) way to accomplish this would be to use a file editor
>(such as that with Norton Utilities) or ResEdit and make the desktop files
>visible--then just delete them and restart.

  One person suggested using the public domain program DesktopReset which
should rebuild the desktop in a "more elegant way" than the Finder.

  Unfortunately, due to Novell's unique handling of the Desktop file, none
of these suggestions worked.  I found the following information by
searching the Novell Usenet group using WAIS (source=Novell_IDX).

  Summary:  It seems that Desktop files on Novell file servers "Sooner or
later" get corrupted, and no one has been able to rebuild a Novell
fileserver volume from System 7 due to Novell's unique handling of the
Desktop file. :-(

     - Brad Stone
       Computing Support Coordinator
       Brigham Young University

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Date:         Mon, 27 Jan 1992 17:50:40 GMT
Reply-To:     Novell LAN Interest Group <[e-mail]>
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From:         "Gary W. Chapman" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuilding Desktop files from SYS7 Macs...

-Sooner or later if you're running the Mac NLM, you're likely
-to get the notorious "Desktop files are invalid or damaged on
-volume X - Volume X is unavailable to AFP clients - the desktop
-files could not be opened" message.

-This problem CANNOT be fixed using VREPAIR - you have to clear
-the desktop using AFP cdt, then rebuild it from a Mac client.

-The question is: HOW do you rebuild the desktop from a Mac running
-System 7 (the answer appears to be that you can't)? This is going
-to be a serious problem in a very short time - we already have
-entire networks where all the Macs are running System 7, and it
-can be complicated mixing systems on a Mac...

Yes, I think Novell will have to address this issue against the day
when System 6 is completely outmoded... (no time soon...)

I still keep System 6 machines around... but if I wanted to run
System 7 exclusively, I could still have a couple machines with
System 6 system folders tucked away on them, and use a utility like
System Picker to reboot with System 6 temporarily.  Or, obviously,
a System 6 boot diskette with the necessary appletalk files to connect
to servers on your network would work as well...


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Date:         Mon, 27 Jan 1992 08:19:52 PST
Reply-To:     Novell LAN Interest Group <[e-mail]>
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From:         Michael Perrone <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuilding Desktop files from SYS7 Macs...
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>; from "David Harris" at
Jan
              27, 92 11:49 pm

David Harris writes:
-
- Sooner or later if you're running the Mac NLM, you're likely
- to get the notorious "Desktop files are invalid or damaged on
- volume X - Volume X is unavailable to AFP clients - the desktop
- files could not be opened" message.

Hmmm... We've never had that happen here. I do believe it's a good
idea to clear and rebuild the desktop every few months or so, just for
garbage collection.

- This problem CANNOT be fixed using VREPAIR - you have to clear
- the desktop using AFP cdt, then rebuild it from a Mac client.
-
- The question is: HOW do you rebuild the desktop from a Mac running
- System 7 (the answer appears to be that you can't)? This is going
- to be a serious problem in a very short time - we already have
- entire networks where all the Macs are running System 7, and it
- can be complicated mixing systems on a Mac...
-
- Does anyone out there have any smart fixes for this?

I have looked into this, and as far as I can tell, the only way to
do this is to boot from system 6. System 7 just can't be forced to
rebuild the desktop on a file server.

I suggest keeping a system 6.08 configured floppy disk on hand for
this. I have found this quite workable. I have it set to boot for
'Finder Only' so that all the application heap is available for the
finder to work with.


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From:         "Robert H. Lafond" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: mac stuff
In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri,
              23 Aug 1991 15:04:20 CDT from
<[e-mail]>

On Fri, 23 Aug 1991 15:04:20 CDT Bob Kusumoto said:
-
-As for MAC VAP and NLM problems:
-
-I called up netwire and they have a few dynamic patches for the 3.11
server
-that corrects some problems with the Mac NLM and it talking to Mac VAPs.
-The other thing you might want to consider is rebuilding the desktop on
your
-server.  The manual states that you can be the only person logged into the
-server as supervisor, and before attaching the filesystem, keep the
Control
-and Option key pressed down so it can rebuild the desktop (p. 104 of the
-Mac NLM Installation and Maintance manual).  It also mentions a bit


      I was not able to rebuild the desktop this way since my
      Mac runs system 7.  I booted my Mac with a system 6 diskette
      and then could rebuild the server's desktop.


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